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HD Profile 3/5: Martyr Heretic

Episode 366

What do Kate Winslet, Bruce Springsteen, and Sara Blakely have in common? They all embody the bold, complex energy of the 3/5 profile in Human Design. In this episode, Nicole explores what it really means to carry the “Martyr/Heretic” archetype—and why that label doesn’t even come close to describing the true power behind this profile.

Nicole  breaks down the role of trial and error in the 3/5’s path, the impact of the unconscious projection field, and why many 3/5s stop short of reaching their full potential. Nicole shares personal insights from working with 3/5s—including her own husband—and the surprising way these individuals are wired to lead.

Nicole also peels back the curtain on the emotional terrain of the 3/5 journey: the fear of failure, the conditioning from childhood, and the resilience that gets built through lived experience. And if you’ve ever questioned whether you’re “doing it wrong” because things don’t seem to stick, you’ll walk away with clarity, permission, and maybe even a little fire to go break a few things—on purpose.

Whether you’re a 3/5 or simply curious about how this profile plays out in real life, this episode will open your eyes to the power of owning your path—even when it’s messy.

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Episode 366

Hello and welcome to Unshakeable With Human Design, everybody. I’m your host, Nicole Lano, and we are here today with another episode in our profile series. I have been enjoying this so much and we’ve gotten such great feedback from people telling us how much they’re loving these episodes on profile, that we’re actually going through the entire profile instead of just the lines.

People have found that really helpful and we’re actually having a contest, so if you wanna share with us. What you love about this show, what you love about this series? What’s your profile? What are you learning from it? Share it on your Instagram tag me. I’m at Nicole Leno official, and you can win an opportunity.

You can win a chance to have a reading right here on the show, a human design reading or coaching session with me. It’s really whatever you want it to be, but you can ask me anything that you want. This is something that I charge a lot of money to do privately, so you can win it absolutely free just for sharing this show with your audience and helping us get the word out about it.

More importantly, what I really love about this series and why profile is such a cornerstone in what I do with human design, whether I’m working with somebody on their business, if I’m working with an entrepreneur, if I’m working with a corporate client on elevating their leadership skills, I’m working with somebody with their kids.

It is so crucial because profile is really telling you what your process is for living in alignment with your purpose. If you’re not in alignment with your profile, then all the purpose work, all of that, wondering who you are and what you’re here for. If you just focused on living in alignment with your profile, you would actually probably answer a lot of those questions.

It tells you what you are uniquely good at. It tells you what your X factor with your profile. I think that is your X factor in your brand. It’s the thing that makes you, you. Probably more than anything else, it is the flavor of your magic and it makes you so individual in what you do, how you do it, and how you show up.

It also tells you a lot about why things work and why some things don’t work in your life. It tells you a little bit about what your story is gonna look like and maybe why your story has looked the way that it’s looked in the past. Now that might be that it looks exactly the way that it should have.

It’s so in alignment with your type, with your profile, rather. But it also, maybe there are things that you were resisting that caused you more pain and more struggle than if you had just surrendered to what was. I think today we’re gonna be rolling into the three, five, the martyr, heretic, another lovely name for us.

Nothing sounds more positive than calling someone a martyr. Heretic, I mean, come on now, I think of all the names. This is the least awesome sounding one. I wouldn’t wanna be called a martyr, heretic. I look at them as innovative problem solvers. I think that that sounds a lot better and really speaks to the potential that is in this profile type.

So, but let’s talk about the real name, the traditional name, and where it comes from. That martyr can come from. The three is the martyr, and the reason they call it that is, that’s the shadow. Honestly, it’s the three learns and goes through life. Down a path of trial and error. You have to be out doing things.

And when you’re out doing things and you’re trialing and you are erroring, that can cause you to feel like, oh, can cause you to be pessimistic, can cause you to feel like nothing works. And it can feel that way, especially for threes early in life. But if you have a three five kid. Embracing the fact that they are gonna fail a lot and they have to be taught to do that.

They have to be encouraged to fail or you will set them up for a lot of struggle in their life if you are upset when they drop a glass. If you are. Yelling at them when they make a mistake, if you are disappointed in them. And I think that we’re gonna talk about the three five, and then the next episode is gonna be the three six.

So last episode was the two five. So it might seem like oh 3 5, 2 5, maybe they’re the same. No, the five stays the same. Now the three five is one of those major profiles. Lots of people are three fives, fewer people are two fives. Three sixes, so the two, five. Now we’re gonna change the personality. We’re gonna change this person’s like outward expression, that three and go from a two.

That’s a natural, and that’s just kind of finding their talent and their way. And then we’re gonna go to the three, which is gonna be breaking stuff, which is going to be, they’re here to find what doesn’t work. And that can be hard, and it’s different than the one three with the three in the unconscious.

It’s not the part that they identify with as much in the one three, but A three five. They know they’re a three. They feel that they are a three and the world sees it ’cause it’s a very demonstrative profile. I. The three tends to get in some trouble. They might be rebellious, they might be somebody who, like if they’re a kid, they might be breaking things.

They might be tripping over stuff. They might be seemingly screwing everything up. Now, that’s not me saying that this is a terrible thing. It’s their process. It’s how they learn. And I know that a lot of three fives know that, but I still see them in my experience. Working with three fives, I still see so many of them resisting the trial because they are afraid of the error.

So when I have a three five that comes to me, or any three, but I see this, the three fives have the hardest time with this, and I’ll tell you why in a second. But the three fives have the biggest trouble with really going after things. If they’re in the shadow of this three, they are bumping up against themselves because they are afraid of making an error of it not going right, of some experience from their past, like a mistake that went horribly wrong and they have never forgiven themselves for it.

Coming in and making them feel like a failure all over again. And I get it, there’s trauma a lot of times in the threes, but A three five also has that five on the other side. That’s the projection field, the five on the unconscious side, where people are looking at them being like, I bet you could fix things for me.

I bet you’re the person who can help me, and then they choose you or your parent sees this potential in you. ’cause the five is gonna be what other people see in you, what other people feel. That projection field is going to pull people in. Then you are gonna make a mistake, something might not work. And then they’re disappointed.

The projection was not fulfilled. I thought you would be this, but you turned out to be that. And I’m not happy now. And the three five is just going, just being me. I’m doing everything I told you. I’m being who I am, and this is what’s so interesting about conscious and unconscious energy. Unconscious energy is you can’t escape it always there can’t do anything about it, and you can’t do anything about the five line projection.

You can’t do about anything, about any of the projection fields. They’re always there. So you have to learn to fortify yourself from that. And I look at, my husband is a three five and he’s a very successful three five. I’ve talked about him on the show before, but I’m gonna do it again because I think that he is a great example of somebody who has lived as an unapologetic three, as somebody who has never been afraid to fail.

It’s just not part of his DNA. He’s not scared of failure. He’s not scared of not being, he’s not scared to suck at something really not scared. And when I look at the other famous three five, so as I was putting this together, I was like, who’s a three five? Kate Winslet is a three five. I think she has a very resilient, powerful nature to her.

She definitely seems like somebody who is daring, who shows up to her work. Willing to do lots of different things. She’s known for that in her work, that working with her, she’s open for anything. She’s very in the creative process, and that’s the potential that threes sometimes quit before they reach to really be able to figure out how things work.

And they honestly, they are known to have the greatest potential for success if they can overcome their stuff. But I see this with three fives where they’re so afraid to make that mistake. They’re so afraid to get their hands dirty. They’re so afraid to do anything. Then if I have a three five who’s a generator or a manifesting generator, where you have to purpose fulfilled through doing generators.

You can’t live your purpose if you aren’t doing stuff. If you aren’t following your yeses and listening to those nos and doing the work that feels good for you, building the things that feel good for you. So that’s double for you. It’s gonna be your type. You have to do stuff, and then the three that says, I just gotta do it.

I’m probably gonna break it. But you know what? I’m gonna learn something from breaking it. That is the key. My husband never had that fear. He was never afraid to break something. And then I look at the other three fives that I found in like my research, Bruce Springsteen three, five. He’s someone who mastered, I.

The guitar and never afraid. Now he’s a manifester, so a different way of showing up there, but never was afraid to not play well. He knew that in order to play to be great, he had to suck first, get to be sucking a little bit less and then get to be kind of good, and then get to be pretty good, and then get to be good, and then get to be great.

That’s the process we have to go through that. For threes, you really have to go through it. Twos, you’re not probably gonna have to go through it. It’s gonna be your natural talent. You’re just gonna pick something up. There’s gonna be things that are your thing. You are gonna pick ’em up and they’re just gonna kind of work for you.

Little magic like that with the two, it is a harder one lesson for the three. The three has got to dare to break stuff. And then once they do, once the three breaks stuff, it goes, oh, I get it now. And I get it differently than everybody else gets it. ’cause other people might be able to follow a process, okay, if I do this and then this, it’ll all work.

But what happens if you do that? You follow the steps and it doesn’t work. Or we need to come up with a new solution, or we need to come up with a new way to look at this, then you’re probably gonna need a three. You’re probably going to need a three that can go. Yeah. I’m not afraid to get in there, play with it and see what else we could do.

’cause the three loves new stuff. The three is resilient. At its highest, and then we’ve got that five on the back end. If you are resilient, if you are trial and erroring, if you are messing around and getting to know the things that you do digging in, you’ll be able to provide innovative solutions for people.

You will have amazing ideas. You’ll be able to lead. My husband is self-taught. He is a computer programmer, architect, web architect, and completely self-taught. And in his company he works for a big company and he has people who went to MIT and Princeton and Yale and these very fancy schools, and he did not.

And some of them are very good. I’m not ragging on people that he works with. But there are also people there that whenever they have a problem, and this has been his, what he’s known for, if you’ve watched Pulp Fiction, there’s Harvey Cartel’s character in Pulp Fiction where he helps John Travolta and Samuel l Jackson’s character clean up the dead guy in their car.

They called him the wolf. ’cause the wolf was the fixer. Mr. Wolf would come and fix everything. That’s what I called my husband, because when nobody else can fix it, when it’s broken and nobody else has any idea, and they’re all panicking and they’re all freaking out because they’re so used to things going to plan that when something doesn’t go to plan, they don’t know what to do.

Or they have their three things that they can do because they’ve tried those before. They’re not resourceful like that where they can just go in and fix anything. That’s my husband, that’s how he made his mark in his company, and he has risen through the ranks because of that. Because when all else fails, I.

You call in the wolf, you call in the guy that when it’s all breaking, he just says, give me a sandbox. I’ll play around. They’re like, do you wanna do a meeting? We can brief you. And he is like, no, give me a sandbox. I’ll play, which is like a little area for where you’re not messing with the code in any production.

You’re in like a playground basically, to go and mess with the code and not screw up anything else further. Gimme a sandbox and I’ll play. He figures it out. Sometimes this is things that they’re working on for weeks and in like half a day he figured it out because he can follow the breaking, he can follow what happened, and if he finds what’s broken, he might find something else that’s broken and he can follow that.

He’s so used to it not going well. He’s so used to having to figure it out that he’s better at figuring it out than anybody else in the company in that division that he’s in. So that’s the potential. Sarah Blakely is another three five. She famously has that story about her father, how he taught her to fail, asked her and her brother, what did you fail at every day?

And if they said nothing, that was the only time he was disappointed. That’s being a fabulous parent to a three. Because the resilience that she had to be able to keep going back after prototype, after prototype after prototype did not work. You’ll hear her in interviews talk about how everybody told her.

No. How everybody told her it wouldn’t work. That she went to factories with men who had been doing things for ages and just said, you’re never gonna be able to create this product that you’re talking about. And she just never said, took no for an answer. She never accepted that. And now she’s the founder of a billion dollar company from the ground up.

That’s remarkable. That’s the resilience of the three, and that’s the five that tried girdles and corsets and other things and said, no, no, no, no. That doesn’t work. That doesn’t work. That doesn’t work. I have a solution. I have an idea that’s the potential of the three five, but they often quit and give up before they get to reach that potential because I’m not going to lie and say that it’s easy to be a three five.

It’s not. I think my husband’s bothered by it at all. I don’t know. I think Sarah Blakely was raised in a way that she was conditioned to be okay with the more challenging part of her design, but ultimately. From what I see with people that I work with, the three fives definitely have a tough time. They can have a struggle, and one of the first things that we work on, what I’m saying to them over and over again, you are a three.

You have to dare to fail. You won’t figure it out. That five wants to figure it out. That five is trying to like logically put it together and wants to save everybody. The three, five, who wants to put out a program or a product or something, but they haven’t really figured out what they do. That’s the five.

Pushing its way to the front being like, I want to lead, but you’ve got nothing to lead with if you haven’t failed yet. The failure is where your genius is found and most people are too scared to go there. But again, like I said, the three is. Here to be resilient, brave. We have to be brave first before we can be resilient because we’ve been brave, and brave and brave over and over and over again, and we keep getting up and we keep doing it and we keep going.

The three five is also going to know when it’s time to quit, when it is time to move on. What are the things that you’re meant to really trial with? You have to follow your strategy and authority into that. But there’s so much potential in this type, in this particular profile. There’s so much potential for success and to really be somebody who’s different and that’s your magic.

But if you aren’t really embracing this profile and you’re learning about human design and you’re getting readings and you’re buying the books, but you aren’t going out there and doing the thing, and you probably will. Not find your purpose. The path is through the trial and error. That’s the potential of the five.

Can’t be found until you collect a bunch of broken stuff and you say, I tried all of these things. They don’t work. So I came up with something new. That’s what it’s about. So I hope you loved this. I hope you loved the episode. If you want, we have a human design X factor by design guide. A profile guide DM me X factor, just the word, X factor.

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The bot will send it to you instantly. But if you put a message in, you’re probably gonna have to wait for me to get to my dms. And I have jam packed days some days that I don’t get to them right away. So would like that guide. We also have something really exciting kind of in the works, which if you DM me on Instagram and tell me that you wanna know about.

This new little course thing that I’m dropping that’s very much around this title, just DM me wait list and I will get you on the wait list for that because this is gonna be pretty amazing. I’m very excited about it. Probably gonna be coming out in the next week or so. So I hope that you love this episode.

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