Nicole Laino (00:30)
Hello and welcome to Unshakable with Human Design. I’m your host, Nicole Laino and I am here not by myself because it is our special monthly episode with my friend and favorite astrologer, Miss Christina Luna. Hi, love. How are you?

Christina Luna (00:46)
Hello.

I’m good. Happy Virgo season. Happy solar return almost.

Nicole Laino (00:52)
Happy Virgo season. Yes. And yes, almost my solar return. Almost my birthday. Almost your birthday as well. We’ll say happy birthday to ourselves right now because this is our chance to do it on the show.

it’s also we’re recording this on the day of the lunar eclipse, which is fun. Which is

Christina Luna (01:11)
That’s right. Yes. And

we were totally talking about like, well, how are we feeling? How are we feeling? And I was gonna say right before you

Nicole Laino (01:20)
I don’t know.

Christina Luna (01:22)
hit record, I was about to like interject again with like, well, maybe I’m feeling that way because like it feels that I’ve so what I was saying was I kind of feel like I’ve been living on the edge of something for so long that I’m used to it.

And that even the weird feels predictable. Like even the unpredictable, like I’ve come to expect the unpredictable. And so even when that happens, it feels like it’s it was somehow scripted. Like somehow I’ve I’ve sapped all of the uncertainty out of the mystery and magic of the unknown. And I’m riding through it with relative neutrality

It’s like I’ve taken the surprise and uncertainty out of the the equation.

Even though there are still things that are happening that are a little uncertain. And then I was saying all that and feeling like maybe you should use a little more humility, Christina. Like you’re saying this right before the eclipse, right before the

Nicole Laino (02:22)
Ha ha ha.

Christina Luna (02:23)
sun squares Uranus, right before Mercury squares your like maybe you should just like humble your role a little bit, because those sound like grounds for electric shock therapy.

Nicole Laino (02:39)
universe might make you eat your words. Yeah. there’s some stuff going on for sure. And you know, like when I said I’m like, yeah, we’re we’re smack in like we are on lunar eclipse day, which

Christina Luna (02:50)
Yes.

Nicole Laino (02:51)
I don’t know about you. I was talking about this actually I did an episode about the eclipse last week where I was just talking about these things coming

And boy, do I feel a difference for for all of our Virgos out there or people with strong Virgo placements or Pisces placements. Who does this summer felt like a relief in July when the nodes changed, but my god, do I feel different now? Like I am it it does feel like

How can I put this? It was almost like there were like rubber bands all around me. Like it was like there was just this binding that I don’t feel now. Someone tied my legs together and I learned to hop and I was doing it, but now my legs are no longer bound and I’m like, this is what it feels like to be able to like walk again.

Christina Luna (03:50)
Like and but now you’re like superhuman with your strength because you’ve been training with resistance bands on for so long.

Nicole Laino (03:58)
True. It’s true. I am pretty buff.

I’m pretty strong now. So strong. it actually feels like this Virgo season, I’m so excited for it because I actually feel productive. Which is how I long to feel all the time. Cause you and I both have tons of Virgo placements.

in our charts. you know, my Saturn’s in Virgo, I don’t need more like crunchiness around my Virgo energy. Saturn’s already taking care of a lot of that and making me work for everything that I get. But this feels like there’s a sense energetically that I feel like the hard work is

paying off. And I have some things personally in my chart that are I think adding to that feeling. But I’m very optimistic going into this Virgo season. So far so good for me. How about for you?

Christina Luna (04:55)
I do feel prepared, but I will also say I’ve been dealing with lots of resistance for the first time in my life. I actually am feeling resistance to having to get back to work. I actually enjoyed, I actually enjoyed the summer. I actually enjoyed the unstructured play. I enjoyed, I I think I like unstructured played too far to too close to the sun.

Nicole Laino (05:20)
Mm.

Christina Luna (05:21)
And I just wanna stay in that energy. And I think that this is probably what a lot of other people feel like like all the time. And

Nicole Laino (05:30)
Yeah, all the time. Yeah.

Christina Luna (05:33)
it just so happens it’s the first time I’m like

What are we even who cares about? I don’t want to do the dishes. I don’t want to put my laundry away. I don’t want to do the prep work to take on all of my quarterly clients this this season. Like usually I’m like, yes, time to feel useful and productive. This this time

Nicole Laino (05:51)
Right.

Christina Luna (05:51)
I’m like, I have so many more blankets I want to crochet. I am not ready. I’m

Nicole Laino (05:55)
Ha ha ha.

Christina Luna (05:57)
not ready. I just want to play and paint. I was I was painting yesterday. I have work to do. And

Nicole Laino (06:03)
Yeah.

Christina Luna (06:04)
I am not feeling called

To the table to do that work quite yet. And so I’m

Nicole Laino (06:09)
Mm.

Christina Luna (06:09)
I’m dealing with it and I know that maybe like when I get in the mode, I’ll I’ll probably start to feel it. But I wonder if I actually deconstructed my Virgo bit so hard with the South Node that I actually have to build a new Virgo inside of me this year.

Nicole Laino (06:27)
Now now you lost your Virgo card. Now we’re gonna take it away. You Pisces too hard.

now you you can’t get it back. You can absolutely get it back. I feel like it’s one of those things I say to my clients all the time, we’re in the habit of doing things and we’re in the habit of not doing things. When we get into a momentum with something that is like, I’m kind of like in this freedom track right now. When we end it prematurely.

And we’re like, now it’s time to get back to work. we kind of have to warm up and get going with it. And it probably was like that a little bit more than you’re remembering in previous years, where you have to like get your bearings back and get going. but it’s probably par for the course, more so than we think it is.

I like my summer was very busy. So the moments of chill that I got, I didn’t want to let them go either. Like I went home to see my mom. I took my son. We were at the beach and I was like, it’s actually really nice

nobody needs me right now. Like this kid’s kind of self sufficient at this point. Like I take care of him, but he’s like he’s very much his own little man. And there there wasn’t a lot of weight on me and it felt really good. And I was

Christina Luna (07:43)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (07:43)
like, I don’t have to pay attention to anything. Like my brain gets a break. But yeah, I’m ready now.

Christina Luna (07:51)
Ha ha

Nicole Laino (07:52)
Like I’m kinda ready to get working and I’m ready. My engine’s been revving for a little while. ‘Cause it felt hard for me. I did have to do a lot over the summer. I was creating a lot of stuff. It all felt really good. I was liking the work.

But sometimes it was hard because the energy was not supporting that. Cancer season was rough. I had to be really productive during cancer season. I did not enjoy that part at all. It was like, this feels shitty and I hate it. I love what I’m doing, but I’m not liking this process. The process is really hard. I feel like I had to fight against myself. So now, like I said, I feel like the rubber bands have been cut and I am free. And now I have less to do.

Christina Luna (08:35)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (08:35)
So it feels like a nice balance.

Christina Luna (08:37)
Right. Well, I mean, so the the good news is this week, the first week of Virgo, it kind of like puts us into a place where we take an inventory every single year.

Nicole Laino (08:49)
Mm.

Christina Luna (08:49)
It’s it’s inventory week. We’re we’re looking at the resources we have, we’re looking at how we can use our resources to the best of their capacity, we’re thinking about stewardship, like I I feel that we’re maybe

Maybe just because we’re recording this right at the very last moments before the new moon. it’s the full moon. Yeah.

Nicole Laino (09:09)
Yeah. Full moon. Full moon.

Christina Luna (09:12)
well then I have no excuses. I

Nicole Laino (09:14)
Ha ha ha.

Christina Luna (09:16)
have no excuses. My like my self-accountability card is all filled up. Like I’ve I just I’m like, well no, this is all my business. This is all this is all me. I gotta My

Nicole Laino (09:26)
This is all my fault. It’s all on me.

Christina Luna (09:28)
No my inventory. Maybe that’s

That’s another piece of it, maybe. And you know, in years past I’ve really leaned on the astrology and for whatever reason this year, I’m sort of so loose about it. Like, I honestly wouldn’t even know that there is an eclipse coming, except that every time I open social media, every astrologer is

Nicole Laino (09:47)
Yeah.

Christina Luna (09:47)
trying to like shove it down my throat. And it’s funny, coming from an

Nicole Laino (09:50)
The eclipse.

Christina Luna (09:51)
as an astrologer, I’m like, you know, I I may I don’t know, maybe I’m like

I was a part of a lot of really creative projects over the summer. Maybe I’m heading into a different like lane of creative service. And

Nicole Laino (10:09)
Could be.

Christina Luna (10:11)
so yeah, well, I’m I’m curious and open to whatever it could be.

Nicole Laino (10:17)
Well, from a human design perspective, you’re a manifesting generator like I am. You know, it’s not for us to plan and to have this plan that we execute. And I think that that’s part of the letting go of the Virgo thing too, the the not so nice aspects of Virgo that everything needs to be planned and everything needs to be perfect and everything needs to be so well thought out and all of that.

we have this plan that we need to execute, you know, with human design, it’s not about a plan, it’s about being in the moment and actually being in relationship with what you’re being presented with. So this idea that we have to work, I always say that like if I don’t feel like working, it’s probably because I’m not in response to anything that’s that’s sending my energy that way or asking my energy if it’s in for it.

I’m probably engaging with other things that have nothing to do with it. And my sacral is having a final time over there. So instead, sometimes I have to go and I engage with something. I’ll engage with a podcast. something that just kind of tells me if the energy is there for something. Do I get a hit of inspiration? Do I feel something? Or do I not?

Christina Luna (11:24)
Mm.

Nicole Laino (11:25)
And so maybe there’s a little bit of that that you could play with just sort of, you know, picking up some charts, not to do anything, just to sort of see where your energy is. I do that all the time because it’s not always the right time for me to do a particular thing. It’s on the list, I have to get it done, but my body is not saying yes, my energy’s not saying yes. But it doesn’t mean I will never get that thing done. It doesn’t mean that the thing is wrong. we tend to develop all the

stories about the things that are correct or not for correct for us. That’s like the double-edged sword of alignment and misalignment and that whole conversation is people are like, I you know, my sacral said no, so it’s not aligned for me. It’s like it’s not aligned right now.

But it might be aligned in three hours from now. It might

Christina Luna (12:11)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (12:12)
be aligned tomorrow. You have to keep sort of checking in with these things. And I

Christina Luna (12:17)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (12:18)
try to engineer things a little bit that way. So I’m able to be in relationship with that stuff. You know, calls on my calendar and things like that can just get the engine running. And then I’m like, yeah, I’ll do that now. I totally

Christina Luna (12:31)
Yeah. Right.

Nicole Laino (12:32)
have energy for that at this point.

Christina Luna (12:35)
You know, in human design, did they have something that’s akin to progressed charts? Like in astrology, you can take a chart through

Nicole Laino (12:44)
Mm.

Christina Luna (12:44)
each each year of a person’s life is like a day progressing the chart. And so does human design have that? interesting. Okay.

Nicole Laino (12:55)
No. No.

We don’t do that, but it’s an interesting concept. And when I learned about it during my astrology training, I was like, this is interesting. And there’s no formal process for anything like that.

Christina Luna (13:10)
Okay, interesting.

Nicole Laino (13:11)
I

Christina Luna (13:12)
Yeah, I’m it would be interesting because it would put both of us as Scorpios at this time in our life. And

Nicole Laino (13:19)
Mm.

Christina Luna (13:21)
I’m not saying it’s human design, but you know, but it it would almost have us coming to Virgo season from a different vantage point.

Nicole Laino (13:30)
Yeah. I mean, just what I need more Scorpio in my chart. Virgo

Christina Luna (13:36)
No.

Nicole Laino (13:36)
and Scorpio. I know there’s just so much that’s just like

Don’t talk to anyone and just stay home and stew in your emotions and judge people. Like that’s like my Scorpio stuff. I want to figure everything out. I don’t need any more Lindsay Clancy trial or anything like that. Like my Scorpio energy is just all down that rabbit hole, detective working and all of that. yeah, it it’s I I do I do see truth in it though. We have stages of our lives where we change and you know, there’s a different

Stage that we’re playing on or a way that we’re relating to the world. it’s an interesting viewpoint. But kicking off September, I have a few things in general, kind of the whole look at September. What I had was as I was like kind of going through and preparing for this, I was like, we sort of move from this, like you were saying, like taking stock.

It’s almost like we have to decide what matters and what doesn’t and what do we have real clarity on? I think it’s a time where it’s like it can feel that first week is going to feel a little bit like, you know, we don’t have clarity and then it comes probably around the fifth or sixth of the month. There’s a little bit more of that clarity, things will start to settle. And if you can keep yourself from getting

at least from a human design standpoint what I’m seeing. If you can keep yourself from getting into a tizzy about like needing to resolve this feeling of like I have to have it all figured out, I have to have it all figured out. If you can play, and I think that this is sort of that Virgo Pisces balance here. If you can play with it I always say like the difference between thinking and contemplating to me is thinking has a result or an outcome.

That we’re trying to attach to the thinking. I’m thinking so I can. And and that I think is like the the worst of Virgo. That’s the part that like just keeps you in your head and keeps you in your perfection and just it’s never right. And contemplating is just sort of like tossing things over in your mind and in your energy. Like it goes beyond just you thinking about it. It becomes

Christina Luna (15:50)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (15:51)
something that you’re in communion with. And it’s

like a shell getting tossed in the waves, like it smooths out over time on its own. You don’t have to do anything with it. And then boom, there’s this aha that kind of happens probably around the eighth or the ninth, maybe.

Christina Luna (16:11)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (16:13)
And at that point it starts to gel. And so I wanna stop there, but like what do you see for

the first week of September and then we have the first full week of September right after that. You know, we have Mercury in Virgo obviously until what, like the tenth or the eleventh.

Christina Luna (16:29)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. What here’s the thing. We only have a Sun and Virgo. What we have also is we have a Mars and Cancer. We’ve got a Jupiter and Leo. We’ve got the Saturn and Neptune and Aries. We’ve got parts of us that are in touch with what we personally, humanly, selfishly feel and need. There’s a lot of like

reclaiming of self-advocacy going on. Like it’s it’s okay for me to want this. It’s okay for me to need this. It’s okay for me to feel this. It’s okay for me to want to express this. So there’s like all of these kind of feelings going on. And then also trying to be in right relationship the way Virgo wants to be. Like

We have it’s our first Virgo season without the nodes there. And so in some ways, I think what I said earlier where I feel like I deconstructed my previous Virgo a lot, I like tore down the parts of me that I recognized about myself so that I could pull forward parts of me that I had maybe repressed or

Nicole Laino (17:38)
Mm.

Christina Luna (17:39)
resisted and now those parts of me are there but they might sound like hungry little children. They might sound like like like the childhood that I didn’t actually experience because I was such a little adult. And

Nicole Laino (17:53)
Mm.

Christina Luna (17:53)
the the the planets in all these personal signs could be amplifying that voice inside of people a little bit. Like it almost feels a little whiny even with

Jupiter being but what about what about me? What about the special

Nicole Laino (18:09)
Me

Christina Luna (18:11)
needs? What about my what about my ego? Like what about like what’s happening right now? Let’s forget about the past. Let’s forget about all that. Like I’m a new person now, baby.

And so there’s like a call for something to be recognized as new and forming. And we don’t have a ritual for this yet. We don’t have a standard and protocol for this yet. Like, what if we don’t act so rigidly as if the past is going to continue to hold up in this new terrain? And so there’s that energy and

It feels like since we don’t have a new moon in Virgo until September 10th, it’s almost giving us like that first whole 10 days of September and the first couple weeks of Virgo to to actually not have a lot, like you said, not have a lot of clarity. To actually go through the emotions, show up to whatever is presenting itself, have an inventory of what we believe is valuable, but also what if that story changes too? And then

And on the same day on September 10th with the new moon, we have Venus entering Scorpio and Mercury entering Libra and Uranus moving

Nicole Laino (19:24)
Mm-hmm.

Christina Luna (19:25)
retrograde and the Venus opposition to Chiron. Like September 10th feels like this cluster of a day that we’re building up toward. And what I hope happens is that we feel the deep inherent value of who we are and how we’re in relationship in this new way.

like we value that this could be new, that we could do this differently, that we’ve learned a lot, that we are not the same way we were before, and neither are they.

Nicole Laino (19:55)
Mm-hmm. I completely agree. Like I feel like that I guess it’s the second week. It’s the week of the what is it? The week of the sixth. that’s just a busy week of a lot of things changing. That day of the tenth is kind

crazy energy movement with all these planets changing signs. We also have, you know, this is a head center week as well, like these first two weeks, live in the head center and then in the ajna center. Then we go down, you know, it’s like it moves through the whole body graph from a human design perspective. We go from the head to the ajna to the emotional system to the heart to the spleen, which is our intuition.

So it’s like at the end of it all, we do end up with a knowing, but it’s probably not going to be an intellectual knowing. It’s going to be something that passed through all of these aspects of ourselves. Like I had in there, it was like it’s inspiration to an aha, to opening up like emotionally to something new that really feels correct. You might be asked to open up to something new. You know, we have the new moon on the 10th or the 11th, depending on where you are.

And you know, then a couple of days later, on the 15th, we have, there might be this moment where it’s something’s presented to you to like, do I want to go through with this? Do I want to move forward with this? Is this the right thing? And that’s not gonna come from all of the intellectualizing, but there is gonna be some sort of a move or something, some intention that’s gonna require you to open yourself up in a new way if you really.

really

want to achieve it or experience it.

Christina Luna (21:42)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (21:43)
and then it moves into the heart, which this movement says, well, okay, well, I’m going to have to open up to something. And then I’m also going to have to dedicate my whole heart. And dedication doesn’t when it comes from this heart space, it’s so pure and it’s so good. It isn’t

hustle, but it is commitment.

Christina Luna (22:06)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (22:07)
And we’re being asked, you know, we have the twenty-ninth

is where the south note is right now and the 46th gate. These are two gates of different types of commitment. One is with your heart and one is with your energy. And the South Node is going to be asking you to not do the thing that’s associated with what you think will get you a result. It

Christina Luna (22:28)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (22:29)
is what you really want to experience and what you trust is right for you.

And if you’re not doing that, this is a gate it’s called the abysmal, but the keynotes for it are succeeding where others fail or failing where others succeed.

Christina Luna (22:46)
Mm.

Nicole Laino (22:46)
And the difference between those two things is why you said yes in the first place.

Christina Luna (22:50)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (22:51)
You entered into something. Did you say yes?

Because you thought you would get a result, you thought that it would get you the thing. That’s probably in this new era that we are entering into, that’s probably not gonna do it. Results are gonna, I think, carry a different form or something. Like the way that we experience life I’ve noticed it with my clients too, just people feeling less tied to the material, of course.

We have to pay our bills and we have to sustain our lives. So money is necessary, but there is this like less of a pull to just, you know, like make a million dollars and that egoic drive to achieve more, make more, and having that be some sort of reflection of your identity or your status.

And I think that that’s where this is is coming from. So those are the things that I was like when I saw the whole story kind of playing out. And then I think, you know, at the twenty-sixth with the full moon, it’s gonna be, like what are you letting go of at this point that doesn’t feel important or that’s not in alignment with this new intuitive direction that you’re meant to take.

Christina Luna (24:09)
Mm-hmm. I love that you brought up this like shift inside where we had this driver, this ambitious driver.

Nicole Laino (24:18)
Hm.

Christina Luna (24:20)
And you know, it’s funny because I think that ambitious driver essentially has something related to an external.

validation of some kind, even if it’s

Nicole Laino (24:34)
Sure.

Christina Luna (24:34)
a perceived internal authority, it’s it was a driver that was placed at a very mature point in that person’s psyche. that’s relational. And what I see around the 15th, when Black Moon Lilith moves from Sagittarius to Capricorn, we also have Chiron turning back going back into Aries. And

I was talking about how we’ve got these sort of like self advocating voices inside of us right now. We’ve got this kind of more, it’s almost like a younger or childlike version of us that actually doesn’t care about the external successors. It wants to know does this actually feel right to you? Does it feel like this is what your child soul wanted to do? Does it feel like this is what’s deeply fulfilling your human self? And with Chiron moving back into area.

And then with Black Munlow moving into Capricorn, I think we’re gonna notice how many patterns had run our life based on some kind of measuring stick that was never really ours. It wasn’t our like our child self would have never put that measuring stick on ourselves. Some our our

expectations in society or relationship roles as mothers or fathers or CEOs or whatever. Like these expectations are gonna be explored while Black Moon Lilith moves through Capricorn for nine months. And we’re starting that at the same time that we have this like wound healing around our worthiness again.

our worthiness and our actual needs and what we actually desire. And so I do think that there’s a crisis going on inside of us, maybe not about the soul drive, but maybe releasing more of the external expectation that we didn’t know was not a part of our soul drive.

Nicole Laino (26:33)
I mean, don’t you think that’s a little bit of what we were maybe hopefully letting go of during this with the South Note in Virgo. And now it’s taking that step into Leo where it’s it’s really going into like now let’s look at the ego side of this. Like the

Christina Luna (26:50)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (26:50)
the Virgo is like performance of like I’m I’m I’m gonna be the best and I’m gonna be so perfect.

And it’s gonna be so great and I won’t let anybody see it until it is. And then when I am, like everybody’s gonna see and everybody’s gonna know. but it’s from this need to produce something. And then Leo comes in and now it’s like you’ve gotta let go of the whole identity of you being attached to these achievements.

Christina Luna (27:16)
I was just having a conversation with someone about how AI can do so many things so well. In fact, if a driver of ego excellence was being intelligent about something, there are

probably in the near future going to be AIs that can be far more intelligent than us about this thing that we’ve worked really hard to be intelligent about and other things as well. And it made me think about how the human value

was never really in how really, really well we could do something. You know, we had portrait painters that painted portraits and they were really, really good at that. And then all of a sudden we could take photographs and like, why was I so good at being a portrait painter? Did I want to be, or was it because I was I was rewarded for being good at something? And I think we’re about to have another revolution of how many humans have re have thought that being unique and

special was about how well they did something. And what if it’s not even about how well we do anything at all? What if it’s what if the human value has something to do with like the feeling you have when people are imperfectly singing around a campfire? Like

No one’s having to do it well. The laughter that happens when you’re playing a game and and you know, people are being people, not because they’re really, really good at something, they’re excellent at whatever they’re doing, but because like there’s this weird emotional, messy quality of human beingness that we’ve remembered as children, and we never forced ourselves to be so good at things as as children.

But as we matured, that was the that was the how we got paid. That was how we the reason why a lot of people are so worried about AI is because they’re worried about how they’re gonna get paid if AI takes the their place being good at something, right? And this this entire

I don’t know, tower moment that we’re experiencing as humans is is probably going to put us more in touch with where our what our innate human value actually is and less so what we’ve strived to for it to be for so long.

Nicole Laino (29:33)
Yes. I think that there is yes to all of that. First of all, except for the part where you talked about our child selves didn’t hold ourselves to those standards. Maybe you didn’t, but my Virgo is active even when I was a child. I was very

Christina Luna (29:48)
Well yes, mine too. I mean

Nicole Laino (29:50)
determined to be like nobody was gonna see me fail. but I was also I’m also a one line in human design where we don’t do anything until we’re sure that we’ve got it down and nobody will see us fall. But

I digress. But everything that you just said about the fears around the material. And I think what’s interesting is, you know, in twenty twenty seven the the change says the material’s done. That tribal is done, and tribal is all the business stuff.

And that’s why I have conversations with people in my world who politically lean more on the conservative side and you know they they scoff at socialism. And I’m not a socialist, I’ve never have been.

But I’m like, I think we have to stop being afraid of words and start really paying attention to what they mean and looking at them not through the lens of, you know, your nineteen forties idea of socialism and look at them through today.

That if AI takes all of the jobs and if all of these things happen, maybe we have to look at socialism from a very different perspective. when five people own all of the companies and all of the wealth, maybe we’ll be happy if we had enacted laws and a system that required them to pay more into the system.

This is where I think like we’re always being challenged to see things from a new perspective. And right now so much change is happening that’s out of our control in a lot of ways, which most of us don’t love. I know I’m not a big fan of being out of control. It’s been my work certainly over the last several years is just being like, You don’t have to control everything. You don’t have to control everything. You don’t have to do it all. You can trust other people. Delegate it. It’s okay. It’ll be fine.

but we want to control, but we can’t. So this is an exercise in releasing control for all of us. But the other thing that I think is interesting is just just to touch on 2027 for a moment, one of the keys that’s changing, so many of them were in the ego during the cross of planning cycle that’s ending. But now there’s only one that sits in the ego.

And it’s the gate of shock or courage. And it’s funny because all the other ones have to do with some sort of business or support. But this one has to do with initiating something new so you change on a spiritual identity level. Not so you can make money. Not so you can be more successful. Not so you can rule, not so you can control and take care of everybody and work and work and work and work and work. No.

This one is about when I start something new and I take an action in alignment with my courage that feels right, that I really want, because it does sit in the ego. You’ve gotta want it, but it’s not about a result. I actually change who I am on a spiritual level. It shifts me to a new identity and it shifts me from a egoic place to a spiritual place.

Christina Luna (33:04)
I already feel that. When is that happening?

Nicole Laino (33:07)
That’s twenty twenty seven, that’s February. we don’t have an orb necessarily for this, but we’re in it. this is such a slow moving cycle that being less than six months out, we are already feeling and we’re seeing it. We’re seeing things change, we’re seeing the institutions like I mean if we’re between Pluto and Aquarius and this change coming.

You know, seeing the systems change and morph, I think the question is just are they changing in a way that is dismantling them in a way that’s for good, or is it being dismantled by people who want more control? Because that is possible and that’s not good.

Christina Luna (33:51)
Well, so the fall is going to have Venus retrograding and Mars will retrograde through starting in the new year. And so we have this fall that is realigning our values and the way we act shortly after.

And so I find it very interesting that 2027 has us making an an adjustment that we want for.

more energetic and spiritual reasons. And I I’ve been noticing, gosh, you know

I’ve been having to make a friend with my resistance because I think that control piece that you’re talking about, I have a lot of control when it comes to what I believe about the world, what I believe about how I function in the world, how I my gifts function in the world, how I receive those gifts, what that means. Like I have a lot of attachment to those things. And I’ve been asked to release a lot of that this year, and I’ve been wondering why.

Like, what if there is a completely different story that was conveniently hidden from me? And what will it mean for my soul if I actually let go of these things that I’m holding on to and I let this new undefined experience come in? And

Life likes to teach me through my relationships and it likes to teach me through love. And so obviously like I’ve got a very specific external laboratory that I get to explore this in. but I’m really curious about what’s gonna happen in the fall in these departments of my life.

And I wonder if a lot of people listening to this podcast are kind of thinking that they’re on the edge of something. And and maybe even what I was telling you before we started the podcast, how I almost feel dissatisfied with how predictable I’ve made life become for me.

Nicole Laino (35:55)
Mm.

Christina Luna (35:55)
And I wonder if that is part of me re- releasing my attachment to all the predictability I created through my craft and my work and my identity and all these things so that I can open up to something that’s going to put me into a the next level spiritually.

I wonder if a lot of people are maybe feeling that they’re at this crossroads and to hear that that actually might be doing something for them on a spiritual level, that it’s not going to be on an identity level or a security level. like an ego identity level, like a significant

Nicole Laino (36:30)
Yeah.

Christina Luna (36:31)
level, a security level. I don’t know. I’m I’m really intrigued.

Nicole Laino (36:38)
I think the interesting question and that tracks a lot with the conversations I’m having with my clients and the things that people are confiding in me in private sessions, in, you know, BBD and all the places and we’re running answering the call we just did, which is like the purpose program that I run.

And so a lot of questions about this stuff and people talking about their experience, and it tracks very much with what you’re saying, that they feel like they’re on this precipice of something. but I think part of what’s happening internally that I’ve been thinking about a lot lately or contemplating is my the better word, is does it feel like you’re on the precipice of something? Because something truly unknown is coming. And

the choices we’re going to have to make go against the choices that made sense before. And the question I have there, that’s sort of like just to put this out into the ether, is if you know, we all say, like, I just wish money would go away and I could do whatever I wanted. Well, what if we actually get that? What if AI

really is coming in to to take a lot of the work. And what if we don’t catastrophize that so much? Like let’s just play that this is a good thing. because we don’t want to get survival mixed in with this more spiritual question, because it’s gonna get in the way of it because you’re still in the material if you’re thinking about survival. Let’s pretend survival is taken care of.

Christina Luna (38:08)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (38:09)
And let’s like what would that

feel like? What would that look like? What does that precipice like? What’s the step you would take?

wholeheartedly, if you really weren’t worried about not just money, but like your business working or this, what’s the thing you would say? What’s the thing you would do? Because I do believe that we are being called now, North Node and Aquarius, going into an individual era, not a material era in 2027. All of these pieces coming in, really realigning our values this fall, realigning what work looks like for us in the start of 2027.

what does it really mean for us to take action? this is gonna change. Let’s really evaluate this. If all of these shifts and changes are happening, then what are the things that you would say? How would you show up we are going to be asked to contribute to the whole potentially? what would you do if you thought that it had significance?

and not just a dollar amount attached to the result that you would get.

Christina Luna (39:16)
I feel I can feel the answer of that formulating inside of me. I can feel, you know, I’m I

I am so good at my craft. I’m so very, very good at it. And I’ve been so good at it, and I’ve been so good at crafting a reputation and presenting myself in very specific ways, visibility in very specific ways, because the material world required me to present a certain way.

So that people would actually receive my craft, receive my gifts. And I funneled my gifts into a very specific offer that helps people in very specific ways. Because that’s what we’ve had to do in a material economy. And

Nicole Laino (40:02)
Mm-hmm.

Christina Luna (40:02)
I’m really grateful that I’ve learned how to do that because that’s it feels like a it feels like a magic act just being able to do that.

And if I if we moved into a world where the pressure of all of that material economy was released, I would be so unafraid of expressing parts of me that might not have anything to do with the reputation of being a useful person in the world. I’m a very useful person.

Nicole Laino (40:35)
I feel that.

I feel that for sure.

Christina Luna (40:38)
And

Nicole Laino (40:38)
And I

like this show is a is a step in that direction for me. I feel more freedom to say what I need to say here, but I still don’t say everything because

Christina Luna (40:47)
No.

Nicole Laino (40:48)
there is like you know, there’s the, you know, survival instinct that kicks in that says, you know, well, you won’t make as much money and people won’t trust you and they’re not gonna see you this way and the working on letting go of a lot of those stories. But I feel you on that, but

What if that’s the greater contribution that

Christina Luna (41:09)
Yes.

Nicole Laino (41:10)
we’re here to make is to say all of those things that could get you canceled. for l for lack of a better term, I’m being dramatic, but you know what mean.

Christina Luna (41:18)
It are our little That’s right.

I I will never say something in the world that I’m not that I haven’t run through a million analysis to be sure that I actually have seen this from multiple perspectives, that I am neutral enough and also correct enough.

Like it’s a it’s a ton of processing. If I was completely freed, there would be expression, there would be story, there would be a messy expression that’s not that maybe isn’t a healed part of me. There would

Nicole Laino (41:53)
Mm.

Christina Luna (41:53)
be questions posed in the world that, you know, to be honest, have come up in the last few months. While I’ve been crocheting, it feels like I’ve been like reprogramming my mind and doing like EDM EDMR, is that what it’s called? Like I feel like

Nicole Laino (42:07)
EMDR,

Christina Luna (42:08)
EMDR. I feel like

Nicole Laino (42:08)
yeah.

Christina Luna (42:11)
I’ve been like releasing and the awareness of how much I don’t know has been very clear to me.

Nicole Laino (42:19)
Hmm.

Christina Luna (42:21)
So this goes back to what we were saying. If if other things were very good at the things we’ve gotten very good at, then the human value has something to do with that messy middle or the expression or

The raw experience of communicating with someone, I almost feel like we’re having, like, to be fair, in the beginning of this podcast conversation, I was like, I don’t know, maybe she should cut the beginning out and just get to the useful bits that people are actually

Nicole Laino (42:48)
Mm-hmm.

Christina Luna (42:48)
listening for. Like, it feels like we talked a lot about things. And then, and now that we’re at this part of the conversation, I’m like, yeah. And what if this is actually part of the revolution that we’re that we are a part of?

That we actually get to move into these other places and ask these questions because true these transits exist, and part of the reason why these conversations have felt so valuable is because people can kind of use them to understand where they are in the cycle. What to what how to structure themselves, how to how to lend an extra perspective to something they’re experiencing. All of that very, very valuable. And

It seems like you had something you wanted to say to that.

Nicole Laino (43:34)
No, no, no.

I like these conversations I think make people feel less crazy for feeling what they feel because we don’t talk about what we feel all the time with moms at drop off and things like that. We’re not gonna be like, you know, I’m really having this like existential contemplation about, you know. I’m wondering

Christina Luna (43:51)
I know.

Nicole Laino (43:52)
where the world is all going. You know, you might have like a surface level conversation about AI or some of those topics, but this type of thing, I’m not gonna be like, you know, well, Jupiter’s trying to

Saturn right now. So I really feel like something is gonna pay off with all the hard work that I put in. Like I don’t talk like that with my friends, or I’m not talking about, you know, like Chiron is opposing Venus. So, you know, I’m really in it right now. That’s not what they understand. I think that these conversations sometimes exist so that people don’t feel so crazy when they’re feeling these things, that it gives them a frame of reference outside of the 3D world that says, actually, our feelings have more to do with.

You know, things that we can’t see than us trying to tie it to a circumstance or something in our life which causes us to develop stories about the things that we do and why we do them, and it just traps us in our head. So I think that there’s something to that. I wanted to bring up one other thing. As you were talking, you were saying, you would share more messy middle stuff, and you would.

Put more things out there. And you said that, you know, you’re very, you’re still very careful with what you put out, and making sure, you run it through a million times before to make sure you’re sure that this is what you want to put out, and how will it be received and all of that? I think that how it will be received is the part that that goes in a perfect world or in a more evolved world. I do think that.

Unfiltered is not what we want because unfiltered means that there’s doo-doo in the water. Like that’s

Christina Luna (45:24)
Right.

Nicole Laino (45:25)
what it means if it’s unfiltered. Unfiltered, no, I have a filter in my air conditioning, so I don’t breathe in dog hair and dust and other gunk. Like there’s a reason filters exist. It’s

Christina Luna (45:37)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (45:37)
to keep the shit out of our system.

Christina Luna (45:40)
Yes.

Nicole Laino (45:40)
And

there’s too much unfiltered that’s happening out there, or there’s too much that is filtered through a sense of what this will get me, so we get manipulated bullshit. So so

Christina Luna (45:51)
You’re right.

Nicole Laino (45:52)
so there’s that. So I think in a world where maybe our contribution is what we feel, what we think, what we understand as human beings that that the robots can’t understand.

And the more we use AI, I think w how when did AI become big? It feels like it’s been here forever, and also it feels like it’s been here for five minutes. I think it’s been about two years. When it started, remember we all got in there and we were like, this is amazing. This thing is so smart. my God, it just made this brilliant thing. And now we’re seeing how limited it is. When we start to see all of its stuff out there, it’s like, it’s just regurgitated crap. And sometimes

It’s wrong. And sometimes it is brilliant. it’s as good as any intern that’s well educated, It has a lot to learn. It’s not there. And of course, it’ll grow and it’ll change and it’ll be amazing, I’m sure. But it it’ll never be us. It’ll never be quite human. And that’s what we have to contribute.

but we still have that responsibility to

know what we’re talking about and I think the next frontier is putting good stuff out in the world. It’s funny, one of my clients said to me she was having trouble putting her message out and being visible and we were talking about, you know, just just being more vocal and sharing her heart and her work and what she does. And I said, Why are you having trouble with that? And she said, I don’t want to contribute to the noise. And I was like

Well, that’s easy. Don’t be noise.

Christina Luna (47:26)
Mm-hmm.

Nicole Laino (47:27)
and that’s the bar. It isn’t to be perfect. and it isn’t to lower yourself to just get views and just get clicks or to just polarize people so that it gets a reaction.

Christina Luna (47:40)
Mm.

Nicole Laino (47:41)
I think that some of us are here to raise the consciousness level.

Christina Luna (47:45)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (47:46)
And there’s a responsibility with that, but let’s not make it where it’s gotta be so perfect or we are afraid to get it wrong that we don’t contribute, because then all there is is noise, because none of the people who have something real to share are contributing. So we would dilute the noise if enough good stuff flooded the social market.

Christina Luna (48:11)
I see. Yeah, and you know it’s funny

I I have to clarify, my messy middle looks like things like this. It looks like

Nicole Laino (48:20)
Ha ha ha.

Christina Luna (48:21)
my messy middle is a a diagram that’s a translation of something vast that I don’t have all the coordinates to yet and I’m not gonna come in with partially finished work.

that I’m

Nicole Laino (48:33)
Mm-hmm.

Christina Luna (48:34)
I s I fe I’m like I know that there’s something here and it’s really important and it’s significant but I’m in the middle of this and you know I I maybe I’m open to someone coming in and looking at my chalkboard but like can I talk about these crazy things that I’m landing here while I’m still in the messy middle of it and it’s not this like fully formed perfect theory that that is complete and useful all right now, you know?

Like that’s a different messy middle than like it’s a Virgo mess it’s a it’s still a Virgo bar messy middle.

Nicole Laino (49:07)
for sure. for sure. And I think that that’s that is something

that is still being processed. That’s

Christina Luna (49:12)
Yes.

Nicole Laino (49:12)
something that it’s like I I don’t have the thing to share. It’s still mine. And then I think the question becomes: if you share it, is do I want feedback and assistance with this? Or if it’s something

Christina Luna (49:24)
Yeah.

Nicole Laino (49:24)
for me to process, then maybe it’s not cooked yet. And

Christina Luna (49:27)
Uh-huh.

Nicole Laino (49:28)
it needs more time in the oven. but

What else do we have for this month? That was a fun tangent we went on. I enjoyed it. But what else do

Christina Luna (49:37)
Well yes.

Nicole Laino (49:39)
you have circled or to anything of note?

Christina Luna (49:43)
Yeah, I love the changeover that happens around the 22nd, the equinox, that there that it feels like a beginning of a it’s this the second half of the zodiac year. It’s when we start getting curious about co-creation. So I think that if we can just kind of be with all of the tension leading up to the 22nd.

I’m not saying everything will feel like it flows better, but now we take that internal project and we bring that into relationship with other people. And we actually let the equations sit next to each other and we let them get grokked together. And I think this year we may identify what has what has blocked us in the past.

from true intimate co-creation. And Venus will be retrograding beginning in October to help us evaluate that in Scorpio. So I think we’re gonna have a really, really interesting fall season where we actually get to step into a zone of co-creation in a way that I think will be very different than any previous year.

Nicole Laino (50:49)
I think it’ll be interesting. I love that week too, you know, around the equinox. That was when I was saying, it’s almost like you’re able to put your heart into something at that point, but it it’s like the the raw force may not work. it’s going to have to have some sort of heart centered desire or call, I think, behind it. And you have to be willing for it not to have to make sense.

And then of course we have the full moon on the twenty sixth. So just keeping everybody informed of those dates. it’s gonna be it’ll be an interesting month. like I said, I’m looking forward to it. I feel good about September and we’ll see if that pans out my optimism.

But what do you have going on? we are actually going to be hosting our five day master class. Once again, this is on being a sought-after expert and really being able to put yourself out there like we were talking about, putting yourself out there with your whole heart, not being afraid of being the noise, to actually allow yourself to be seen and to be one of those leaders that’s helping us march into these next eras and epochs of leading from something other than just

material gain in what you think it will get somebody but we do get to earn from that we still get to support ourselves. So if you want to be a part of that masterclass just DM me the word masterclass on Instagram. I’m at NicoleLaino Official or go to Nicolaino.com forward slash masterclass. You can sign up right there. It’s all in the show notes for you. Christina, do you have anything going on? Anything that you want the people to know about?

Christina Luna (52:18)
Your master class sounds so interesting. I think

Nicole Laino (52:21)
Yeah.

Christina Luna (52:23)
I’m very interested in your masterclass. I am yeah, for me right now, I’m still just doing quarterly readings. September is the turnover to the next quarter. I do have openings in September still for quarterly. So if someone does feel called to get in for this last quarter, fantastic. my real enrollment period actually is more around December and January. But if

Nicole Laino (52:46)
Mm-hmm.

Christina Luna (52:47)
people want to get in before that huge rush, this would be a good time.

to do it and that’s all that’s all I’m running right now.

Nicole Laino (52:56)
Yeah, and we’ll have all of her stuff linked up in the show notes, or you can DM me the word Christina, and then I will send it all to you. She’s also lunation.live on Instagram if you want to catch up with her over there. The readings are really amazing. I look forward to mine. You DM me, you you told me you’re like, it’s time for your quarterly reading. I’m like, how is that possible? How are we already doing this reading? But they’re so insightful. my reflection on them is whenever we do the readings, it confirms.

So much of what I’m feeling that I’m like, okay, I alright, that tracks with so much of what I’m feeling. And there’s also insights in there where it’s like, I hadn’t thought about it like that. That’s a really interesting perspective. And I go back to it and I rewatch it throughout the whole quarter. And and we’re all great, we’re we’re all lucky to have you offering these, that they’re they’re so affordable and they’re so accessible and they’re just they’re truly insightful. So

Definitely get in there and DM her about those. But thank you for making it all the way to the end of this episode with us. We appreciate you. And remember, in order to have an unshakable business, you must first become an unshakable human. So thanks for letting us help you become unshakable with human design. We’ll see you next time.