Episode 465:



Nicole Laino
Hello, and welcome to Unshakeable with Human Design. I’m your host, Nicole Laino, and I am so happy to be here with you. And. And while I’m alone at this moment, we’re not alone for this episode. I actually have a guest with me that I’m so excited to bring to you guys. Her name is Chloe Elgar. She has become a friend of mine. She lives here in Austin. And you may have heard me talk about the horse medicine sessions that I go for, that I’ve been for two at different times. 

Nicole Laino
I did it on my birthday, and then I went again on the equinox. And it’s an experience that I truly treasure. And I was very excited when Chloe agreed to come on the show and share about this because it is something that’s difficult to talk about by myself because I think this is just an easier conversation to have with two people, and especially somebody who actually shepherds these journeys, that is actually the guide on these journeys with the horses. So Chloe, she owns a ranch here in Austin, Texas. It’s called Three Spirit Ranch, and she has five amazing horses, and she works in collaboration with herd of horses to help people heal, to help people see themselves. She would put it. She says that she has an agenda, free process, and I’ve experienced that firsthand on this show. 

Nicole Laino
I think what we appreciate and what everybody is trying to come to is come a little bit closer to ourselves. And you’ve heard me talk about how it isn’t about figuring yourself out. Human design is not about figuring yourself out. It’s about deeply understanding yourself. And that is not a mental thing. And I think we too often get too consumed with the mental side of this. There is putting words to it and articulating who we are and all of that stuff, especially a lot of us here on the show are business owners. So we need to kind of put our words to our mission. But there is this energetic element that I know you’re all here for as well, which is this. How do I know myself more deeply? And that is what Chloe and herd helped me do on such a deep level. 

Nicole Laino
And I do all sorts of work. You all know that I’m deep into this human design stuff, into astrology. Into all of these things that help me connect and somatics and doing all of this work on my nervous system to open up my energy and sharing this all here with you. This is probably my favorite and most special practice. This is something that I will do forever. I will visit with horses because I truly feel both subtle and wildly impactful transformation that comes from being in their presence and from working with a hurt and from working with Chloe. So I’m going to read you a little bit about her bio so you can hear from more about her. Her name is Chloe Elgar. She’s a psychic medium and intuitive guide who lives on her ranch outside of Austin with her magical herd of horses. 

Nicole Laino
After over a decade of working in the intuitive healing space with humans, Chloe took the leap and bought an acreage in Texas and herd of horses started to arrive. One by one, herd was created and the life that she always dreamt of began to unfold. I think Chloe is an amazing example of what a life looks like when you follow your intuition, when you trust, when you move, when things don’t make sense, and you just trust that everything will arrive in the time it’s meant to. She’s a beautiful example of that. I hope you enjoy the episode. I hope you go and connect with her on Instagram. Her Instagram is channeled by Chloe. Go check her out. Check out the horses. Enjoy the episode and I will see you next time. Hi, Chloe. Welcome to Unshakable with Human Design. 

Nicole Laino
I’m so happy that you’re here. Thank you. 

Chloe Elgar
Thank you for having me. I always love spending time with you, so I’m excited to join you on your podcast. 

Nicole Laino
I’m so happy to have you here because anybody who’s been listening to the show for a while has heard me drop that I’m obsessed with horses and that I’ve gone for these horse medicine ceremonies, little sessions with you that I’m lucky enough that you live in my town and I can go, like on a whim and I don’t have to make a big trip out of it. And it’s so interesting because when people ask me about them, like when I’ve talked to my family or my friends that aren’t into this stuff, and I say that I’m going on a horse healing session or a horse medicine session, and they’re like, what do you do? Are you like, riding the horses? 

Chloe Elgar
Are you? 

Nicole Laino
And I’m like, no. And do you have a hard time describing what it is or how would you describe a horse medicine session? 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah, I mean, I think because I’ve worked in the sort of mystical space for 10 plus years, it’s very natural for me. And most people around me sort of already know the verbiage and language around the things that I do. 

Nicole Laino
So. 

Chloe Elgar
But if it’s someone that has no concept of it, for me, it’s like there’s many different ways that you can kind of describe horse medicine. So, like, when I talk to people about being a psychic, I sort of. Who’s my audience? Okay, I’m gonna go a little bit more science or I’ll go hard. Mystical, right? So it’s becoming more and more known. We’re in the year of fire horse. Like, horses are popping up everywhere. More people are becoming aware of the gifts of horses that reaches beyond just kind of the ability to ride them or use them as a tool for advancement or progress in society. 

Chloe Elgar
And so I think that we’re starting to understand the idea that horses have their heart field is really wide and expansive, and that by just being in the space of a horse and they will regulate your own heart frequency, your own heart field. And part of that is like, there’s science behind it. My brain, like, does not hold on to numbers and facts. It just like kicks it out. So you can just do a quick Google search nowadays or like, look anywhere and you’ll find information about it. But that’s usually a really helpful place to start for someone that doesn’t have any concept because it’s like by just simply being with horses in a space where they feel relaxed and balanced in their home space. 

Chloe Elgar
Like your heart, literally the frequency of your heartbeat, like your energy field, is going to become more regulated, more relaxed and more balanced. Which is why even someone who’s like, kind of old school cowboy, I’ll still say, like, when you go riding, when you get off the horse, like, how do you feel? And it’s always like, yeah, I feel good. You know, I feel like relaxed or I feel like something move. So when we’re with horses, I always say, like, it’s. We’re entering into their field of awareness. And what happens is that our own nervous system, our own auric field, our own etheric field, our own physical body starts to connect to their auric field. And so a lot of the time, like, my favorite thing I say this as a psychic as well, is like, nothing is happening. Everything is happening. 

Chloe Elgar
So the more that you feel like nothing is happening, the more that probably a lot is happening because your mind is getting quiet, right? So it’s like when you come and spend time with us. Like the foundation or the setup that I’ll do for people, which we did in your first session, is just like introducing people to horse language, herd language, herd dynamics, and how I live with my horses, how my horses live, and then like safety and learning how to share space with horses in a safe way. Where they’re safe and where safe. Because of course, another big piece around horses is like, they are a thousand pound animals. They are prey animals and so they can cause damage because they move really quick because that prey drive is very strong in them. And they’re so attuned to the environment where they live. 

Chloe Elgar
And so like horse people, we know, like a horse can change really fast, like a kick can come out of nowhere or they can move. And when they move, that’s a thousand pounds of force. And so learning how to like, be attuned to the space where you’re in with them is also part of the medicine because, like, I find that when we share space with horses, we’re just brought into that zone of awareness because we have to. Right, you have to be in your physical body. You have to be aware of your surroundings in order to safely be with them, to notice the changes in the field that might not be always, like, obvious. It could be very subtle. And especially when you’re in a herd space. Like, horses are communicating with each other all the time. 

Chloe Elgar
So I mean, I could talk about it for, like, there’s many ways that I could share about it, but that’s kind of what comes up. 

Nicole Laino
I had shared with you when I first came for my first session. I had shared with you that, like, I rode horses when I was younger. I haven’t in years, just because where I lived, I never like, found a ranch or a barn that I started riding at or anything. And while I rode the horses there, I shared. I just loved being there. Like, I found myself, like, if I had free time, if I needed to concentrate on something, I was in college at the time. If I needed to do my schoolwork or I was studying or something, I would go to the barn and I would just sit on the ground near a paddock. And I loved positioning myself there because I was in their space where they could come to me, I could feel them. 

Nicole Laino
And a lot of times they would just stand nearby and then occasionally I would get a nibble on my shoulder if I wasn’t paying attention and they wanted attention. And I didn’t know, I just knew that it brought out something in me there through this silent communication. That was going on with us at the time. I don’t know if I could have put words to it other than just like, I just feel at peace and myself when I’m there. And there’s nothing in my world at that time either that could give me that. And so I picked up on it. And when I started to follow you on Instagram and I realized you were in Austin, I feel like I called it in. 

Nicole Laino
I was getting fed all this horse stuff on Instagram, and I’m seeing these people do these sessions, and I’m like, ooh, I want to, like, take a trip and do that. And then I came across your account and I’m like, I don’t have to take a trip. I could do this, like, now. And just the more time goes on, I realize how much is energetic and the more we can get into our energetic field and the more we can get out of our minds. Like, that has been the whole last decade of my life is just like, how can I spend less time in my head? How can I not be so self conscious? How can I get the attention off of me and not even on something else, just here? How can I just be here and be here now and be present? 

Nicole Laino
So when people ask me, like, what was your session? Like, what did you do? And I’m like, I was just there. Like, were all just there. And they look at me kind of puzzled. Especially, like, my friends that I call the straights, the ones that, like, don’t do any energy stuff. When I talk about human design, I don’t really talk about it. I’m just like, they’ll ask if they want to know. They’re like, oh, you do that, like, weird stuff. And I’m like, sure. And I see their heads kind of turned. They’re like, so you don’t do anything with the horses? And I’m like, you do, but you don’t. I couldn’t explain it to you. It’s just being there changes me or brings me home to something that I can’t connect to another way that I’ve found. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. And it’s interesting because each person that comes, I always say, like, the way that I work is very agenda free. While there’s definitely a commonality, there’s a theme in terms of the structure and how we maybe move through our time together. With the horses, it’s always different because each person is different. And so what they bring, who they are, what’s in their energy, what’s in their blueprint, that really also determines kind of what may show up and how we connect the dots. But to me, part of the experience with horses is that they open us up, right? So whether it’s that they help to move energy, move emotion, get us more rooted in our bodies, connect us to, like, more of our spirit, self accessing more of our higher wisdom, our consciousness. 

Chloe Elgar
And the beautiful part of it is like this interesting kind of dichotomy, because when you’re here and you’re not doing this, like, this is my life. I do it all day. But if you’re not doing this all day, every day, then it is a process because you’re kind of like you’re here in the moment. Like, when you come to be with us, you’re just here. Like you said, you’re just there, right? And there is that awareness of, like, where’s my body? What’s happening around me? What horses are here? And they’re not familiar horses to you, so it’s just not going to assume that you know what they’re doing. And so there’s that layer. But I always love kind of hearing about people’s experiences once they leave. 

Chloe Elgar
Because what I find is that oftentimes something gets opened, and then as you’re driving home or once you get home and maybe when you go to bed that night, like, information starts to come through. And of course, like, we’re all different in terms of how we’re designed, so we all receive information differently. But that’s a really interesting piece of. It is sometimes, like, the connection gets created and then maybe the horse has something to share with you after the fact, or their energy sort of will stay with you. Because for me, we all are multidimensional beings. I believe horses and animals don’t have egos, so they don’t get stuck like humans do, right? So they are very present in the moment, and then they are always there. 

Chloe Elgar
Is that access that they have to the other parts of them, like their higher selves, higher consciousness. And so when we connect to them, it’s like when you meet a person, you’re meeting their personality, you’re meeting maybe who you see physically. But there’s more. There’s like this human design, right? It’s like we all have a complex blueprint like, that we transmit out to the person or the being when we connect with them. And horses are the same. So the reason why I love the term horse medicine, it’s like, who they are, what their story has been, what they’ve experienced, what they came with becomes their medicine. Because oftentimes we Know in the horse equine therapy, equine medicine world that horses can be mirrors. Right. Because they’re so present and such clear reflectors of energy. 

Chloe Elgar
Sometimes just being here and observing the horses responding to our energy becomes a mirror for us about something that is present inside of us that we’re not ready to see or that something that’s happening in our life. Other times they can be sharing direct information. It can sometimes be like an actual physical experience that we have with them. Right. Whether it’s like a horse. Your first. I mean, both of your visits were so different, but, like, the first one. 

Nicole Laino
Yeah. 

Chloe Elgar
When Frodo kind of came and brought his head when you were sitting down at the oak tree, like, that was a very physical experience. 

Nicole Laino
Right. 

Chloe Elgar
Where that created a physical experience from having him be physical with you, it’s so layered. And that’s kind of what I always. When people come to visit us, it’s like, I’ll kind of give you the lenses of how you can receive the information or how you can receive the experience. And then it’s sort of like you. Off you go, and we see what actually happens, what actually takes place. Yeah. 

Nicole Laino
And when I go there and in that interaction. And then I have some other questions about, like, how you started doing this. But you talk about Frodo coming over and having that physical connection with me at that moment. I think it really did feel like him sort of responding to something in my energy at that moment. Like, again, it felt like were having a conversation. I hadn’t touched any of the horses the whole time. That was, like, at the very end of my visit. 

Chloe Elgar
And. 

Nicole Laino
And there wasn’t at any point where I was like, why aren’t they coming to me? Should I go to them? I really showed up there without an agenda myself. I was like, I just want to be here and be in the space and see what happens. And I looked it up while you were talking before. They have five times the heart resonance as humans, so it’s about 20ft from their body that you can feel the resonance of their heart. So they don’t have to be right on top of you for you to feel it. And they actually don’t even need to be in your physical auric field for you to feel them. I always say, like, your ranch is called Three Spirit Ranch. And when I get there, it’s like, this is like Disneyland for me. 

Nicole Laino
Like, I’m gonna go and I’m gonna be quiet and, like, just be around horses. But it is the most peaceful and beautiful feeling the minute you enter the property, from the dogs to the horses to you, there is just this. I don’t want to use the word force because it’s not forced at all. But like, whatever doesn’t belong in your energy kind of starts to fall away as you enter the space and you start to get comfortable there. Like, it just starts to fall off. And for everybody who is like me, where you’re. Sometimes you don’t know exactly what it is that you’re holding onto, but you know, you need to let something go. That type of space that it’s like what eclipses do. It’s like they kind of bring something up in you so you can see it. 

Nicole Laino
But this is just, to me, a much gentler way than an eclipse. Although I did come to your ranch on an eclipse, so I got both of that. And then I came on the equinox, these big, energetic shift days. But I wanted to ask, you grew up around horses, right? 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. So I was obsessed with horses because I was born in Calgary, Alberta, which is like cowboy town in Canada. It’s the home of Calgary Stampede, so it’s like one of the top rodeos in North America. And it’s big. Like, horses are very important there. It’s cattle ranching town. And so they were in the air. Like, you’re born, you breathe, you’re like, the horses are here. My dad had some business friend partners who had horses, so I connected with horses like when I was two and rode them and whatnot. And then when we moved to Malaysia when I was five, which was a really, like a fragmenting experience for me because I felt very at home in Canada. But we may have still made it a priority to have horses, but it was very much not my ideal experience. 

Chloe Elgar
It was more so just like equestrian riding in a barn, doing jump, like competitive jumping and that kind of thing. But then when I was 12, my mom, who’s so intuitive, felt like we needed to have a soft landing place to go to in the summers in Canada, in Calgary. She just knew that would need to be anchor for us, even though my whole family are from England. And so she found this place that’s in the foothills near Banff that was just like the perfect place because it’s like amazing kind of ranch property, but you don’t have to live there long term all year round, and people take care of a lot of the facilities and stuff. So we bought a property, a townhouse there, and we ended up getting horses. 

Chloe Elgar
And so then my horse Mack, that we rescued from he’s off track, thoroughbred. So he was like my everything from 13 until were the same age. So he died when were both 19. But every summer, I would go and just spend every single second out, and that was like. It was 500 acres, a 35 herd of horses. Like, very much just me being a wild little girl jumping on horses bareback with just a rope. So that really set the foundation for me of the experience that I knew lived in my heart of how I wanted to be with horses. And. And every time I’d go back to Malaysia in the year, like, it was so jolting because it was such a disconnected way of being with horses there. So, yeah, we’re always there. 

Chloe Elgar
I feel like before we moved to this property in Texas and started this, I always said that, like, horses are always there. Just sometimes they’re a little bit behind the scenes. Sometimes they were just like, you gotta do your thing. We’re gonna behind here, but we’re still here waiting, kind of. So, yeah. 

Nicole Laino
When did you figure out you were a channeler? When did you discover that? 

Chloe Elgar
So I was, like, a very psychic child, and my mom was always very spiritual. And I grew up with my mom. Like, she had Indian gurus. Like, she traveled around the world to go and be with her gurus. Like, spirituality was, like, very strong in our house, and she had, like, every single spiritual author book. Like, it was just like, I knew all of the peeps and used to go to, like, satsangs with my mom and stuff when I was younger and silent retreats. So my parents used to, like, call me a psychic child because I would always have, like, conversations with them about things that I saw and felt. So it was very much in my space as a kid. And then I had eating disorders. I think it all became too much. 

Chloe Elgar
And there was a lot of chaos with my parents and drama, and I don’t think I felt safe in the house and feeling all of the chaos and drama. So I ended up having pretty severe eating disorders from, like, 11 until 18. And that just, like, shut everything down. And I was like, a big rebel living in Malaysia. A lot of partying, a lot of, like, toeing the line of danger. And then when I moved back to Canada, I studied holistic nutrition, which helped me to heal a lot of that relationship with my body and kind of come back into balance with my body and with food. And then when I started to do that, it’s like the channel started opening again, and then the synchronistic events. 

Chloe Elgar
I ended up connecting with psychics and mediums that I trained with and so started to go on that path of, like, really switching or shifting fully into doing it professionally. So, yeah, it’s like, always been there, but it’s not always been easy. Sometimes there’s been some hard movements. 

Nicole Laino
Can I share something about your human. 

Chloe Elgar
Design just as you were talking? Yeah. 

Nicole Laino
So you’re a 35 manifestor. 

Chloe Elgar
Yes. 

Nicole Laino
Like, everything that you described about kind of, you know, from the time you were 11 until your 20s, like, kind of going through this very tumultuous, like, use the word rebellious, where, like, a lot of things didn’t go as planned or according to the textbooks, say that you should grow up. That’s very three line stuff like that is the three that if you don’t go through that as a three, if you’re too afraid to mess up or get it wrong or try things and find error, you never try things and find the right thing because you’re not trying. So nothing works. So it’s almost like whenever I see somebody who has a 3 5, my husband is a 3 5. But the 3 line especially. But like, that 35 configuration is absolutely just sort of like, I call them innovative problem solvers. 

Nicole Laino
You’re innovative because it’s just like, you just get in there and you just do the thing. And in a perfect world, threes would trial and error until they become fearless because they realize that they can get through anything because they have. And that rebellious thing of, like, people don’t get me. Sometimes threes feel judged because they are sort of tripping and falling on the stage of their life. And people are seeing them, and they either feel the judgment. That’s the five. The five is the projections that you’re feeling. Like maybe they are, maybe they’re not. Like, it depends on the situation. Sometimes people are absolutely judging and making threes feel terrible for, like, living the way that they live. 

Nicole Laino
And then there are other times where it’s just that five line gets a projection where people are always kind of looking at you like, I thought you would have been X to me for me, or in some way. The other thing that stood out to me from your chart, which was interesting, is you are the cross of Maya, the right angle cross of Maya. And the cross of Maya is this. I never tell people their purpose or anything like that. But, like, the general theme of this purpose is that you have something to do with connecting. And there can be a lot of teacher energy or guide kind of energy. You’re a manifester. So it’ll be probably through you, like, initiating people into things. That’s kind of what manifestors usually do. 

Nicole Laino
But that Cross of Maya is very much about bridging the worlds between the seen and the unseen world. That this connection between, like, yes, we have, like, this Maya that we live in, this illusion is what our quote, unquote, reality is. So it’s this, like, balance between what is real and what is just as real. But we can’t see it, feel it, touch it. And there’s usually something about those two things coming together for people who carry this cross. And there’s different ways millions of people have it. Like, I studied tm, Transcendental Meditation, and Maharishi who created that, he was a. 

Chloe Elgar
Cross of Maya person. 

Nicole Laino
So there is this connection to, like, the mysterious, ethereal world and the physical world. 

Chloe Elgar
Love that. Yeah, very true, very accurate. 

Nicole Laino
But, like, how you find that is through, like, being a good 35 and going through that trial and error and discovering all of these things. If you don’t discover them, then the purpose never comes out. Then the things never come out. So I love when I hear people speak their design and kind of live it. It’s always so interesting. It’s like, oh, yeah, there it is. There’s where that could have come from. I wanted to actually come back to a couple of things. Can we talk about the individual horses? Yeah. And how do you see them as a herd? I think it’s an interesting thing. Like, from my perspective, I had sent you a voice memo, and I was like. I’m like, I hope she didn’t misinterpret, like, my message. 

Nicole Laino
But like I had said the first visit that I had, I felt so much, and it was a profound experience. And like you said, driving home, I would tell you, like, I drive there and I drive back with absolutely no radio, nothing. Just silence me in the car by myself. And I get so much both on the way. I get clear about kind of where I’m at and what’s present. And then when I leave, and I always say, like, the horses keep talking to me. And there’s still stuff coming through sometimes even stronger from some of them after I leave than when I’m there. I told you, I’m like, dreamer keeps showing up. He hasn’t shown up in the last few days, but he’s been popping in and out of my dreams, in and out of, like, my meditations. 

Nicole Laino
Sometimes I’m just walking around and I get, like, this little flash, like he’s playing with me or something. It’s very interesting. But the second visit that I had, the one I had most recently just a few weeks ago, we could talk a little bit, if you’re open to it, about Stevie’s accident and how that’s like, changed that dynamic, the power. And I’ve seen you write about it on your Instagram where you’re just like. I feel the deepening of our medicine, like, through this journey. And I think that was what I wasn’t articulating, but I felt there is a force field, like a strengthening of everybody as a unit. And not that it wasn’t there before, it’s just the potency of everything there, of them working together, of this. And maybe that’s a strengthening of Stevie through what she’s been through, that’s permeating. 

Nicole Laino
Who knows why it’s all happening? Maybe you do. But to me, I felt it before, but I felt it so deeply then. And part of that could be me too, but there was just this connection to it. So how do you see your herd? Tell everybody a little bit about all the members of the herd. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. So for me, when people come to visit, like I always say to people, they are my horses. I am their guardian. But they’re not mine. I don’t own them from a higher perspective. And I don’t know everything about them because I only see them through my lens. And while I do practice staying grounded in my own projections of them, I am human, believe it or not. I am also alien. But that’s okay. Yeah. So it’s always interesting to hear people share because I think it’s the medicine. It’s the medicine for the person’s experience. But it’s always co creative. 

Nicole Laino
Right. 

Chloe Elgar
Like when people come, I say, like, this is a co creation. Like, I’m not, like, I am guiding you, but we’re. All of our energies are coming together to create something. And each experience is different. Like, you came, I guess it’s like maybe eight, six or eight months apart were your visit. Cause you came in like September. Yeah. Right, so. And like wildly different experiences. So I think that in and of itself, it’s like showing us that we’re always going to get something different. I understood what you said in your voice note for sure. So we have five horses. We have Raziel, Dreamer, Stevie, Frodo and Sahara. And our herd started as Raziel and Stevie. And they both came from the Sweetmercy Rescue Ranch Rescue in Glen Rose, Texas, through Mariah, who we love and support. 

Chloe Elgar
And she’s just a wonderful soul who does a lot for the horse Equine World. And we also got Dreamer through her about eight months after. And then we got Frodo through her like a month after. And then Sahara is our mustang who came through a private adoption in July. So, Nicole, when you came, Sahara was pretty fresh. You came in September, and she just arrived late July. So I think that, like, for me, watching a herd, it’s the same as a family. Like horse herds, there’s constant evolution. Especially my herd, they’re young, right? So, like, Raz is 6, Stevie’s 5, Dreamer’s 5, Frodo’s like 20, and then Sahara’s 9. Like, especially Dreamer, Raz and Stevie, they are all, like, constantly changing all the time. I always joke, like, I did not mean to have a young herd. Like, I thought Dreamer was old. 

Chloe Elgar
And then he’s like, I’m surprised. I’m three years old. He’s like, oh, wow, you’ve got a chief old medicine man in there, buddy. So it’s interesting having a young herd because they really are growing and changing kind of every day. And whenever they have experiences, those experiences integrate into the herd and, like, relationships change. It’s really interesting. We were kind of talking off camera before we pressed record about our dogs. Like, if we bring another dog in, how that impacts our current dogs. And it really is the same kind of process with horses. For me personally, like, every time I have thought about bringing in a new horse, it is a very serious thing because I know that the dynamics are going to change. I know that the relationships are going to change. 

Chloe Elgar
And it’s so interesting because I feel like when we steward animals and become guardians of animals, we really get confronted with our attachments because horses, like animals, they really are much more attuned to change than we are, and they’re much less attached. And so, for instance, like, a good example is, like, Stevie was mayor, who had an accident in December, a fencing accident, and since been recovering and has been lucky. But definitely it’s been a long road. Long, expensive road and challenging. She was with Dreamer and Raz, and they were like, bff. But she’s now with Frodo and Sahara because they’re slower and more calm. And it’s been four months, so. And I watch this all the time. Like, Dreamer and Stevie were really close, and Raz and Stevie were like husband and wife. 

Chloe Elgar
But those relationships are different now because Stevie has lived across the fence with Frodo and Sahara. And so it’s interesting. Cause, like, the herd has changed. And that’s the interesting thing. It’s like they’re still on the same land, but things have shifted. And like, the energetic makeup of putting Stevie in with Frodo and Sahara and leaving Raz and Dreamer, like, it has shifted the dynamic of the herd as a collective. And this kind of goes into that piece around the heart field, like you said, it’s five times to me. I feel like also this is where I brush up against science quite often because I think it’s limited. Like, I know that’s true. And my feeling is that it’s actually bigger because when you have a herd, they expand that collectively. Right? 

Chloe Elgar
Because even though, like, Stevie, Frodo and Sahara are together and then Raz and Dream are on the other side of the fence, that collective herd network where they are always in conversation and communication with each other expands. And then also, I think, like, their awareness of their home, the. The perimeter of their land also expands their heart field. So, like Dreamer, for instance, he knows the second fox or something that shouldn’t be there is on the very back of our property. And that’s like, I think you’ve probably seen when he’s here. Like, he knows when something’s happened. He’s like, what’s going on? So it’s like that level of presence and awareness of their space is expanded when they have their herd to help them to feel regulated, grounded, and safe. But, yeah, the herd, it has definitely changed. 

Chloe Elgar
I mean, they all experienced Stevie’s accident, and I know that did something. And then also having Stevie have to leave for two months, that the horses had to through just, like, natural instinct, they have to learn how to adapt and evolve without her presence. It’s like, imagine if you have your family all in the house and then mom leaves. She’s not mom, but she was a very strong, feminine anchor in the herd, especially for the boys. And suddenly she leaves. It’s like they had to kind of figure out how to then fill that space. So it has been interesting to observe. But, I mean, that’s the other thing for me is, like, I see them every day. 

Chloe Elgar
So it’s fun when someone who doesn’t see them every day, it’s like when someone doesn’t see your dog for a while and they’re like, oh, they’ve grown. 

Nicole Laino
You’re like, really? 

Chloe Elgar
I didn’t not, you know, so it is cool to hear the reflection of what someone notices. And I always say, like, there’s probably medicine in that for you, but it’s also probably a very interesting reflection of what’s actually happening in the space. So, yeah, maybe we could talk a. 

Nicole Laino
Little bit about, like the medicine. My hope is that everybody listening to this books some sort of horse medicine. Like, if this is speaking to you, like, I can’t imagine not doing this at least a few times a year. Like, it resets me, but it shows me things that I can’t see. And the messages come in such different ways. And they come in different ways from different horses in this world. I think we’re moving toward a much more energetic conversation. Obviously, we’re physical beings in a physical world. I feel energy on social media. I feel energy everywhere I go. And for those of us that are sensitive, and I know that a lot of people listening to the show are sensitive people. 

Nicole Laino
Those of us who recognize the energetic conversation that can help stabilize the not so great energetic conversation that maybe people are having haphazardly not realizing that’s what they’re putting into the field. And it’s animals, like you were saying before, that they don’t have an ego. It is funny. I think that’s probably when I was describing that stuff falls away that doesn’t belong. I feel like it’s probably whatever remnants of my ego were hanging on or thinking about things. And it does bring up because ego and mind are so closely connected. Usually it’s your ego that’s making you think. And what’s going through my head when I go in there, that it’s not welcome, it’s just it will become so apparent to me that it’s there that it’s like, oh, this isn’t helpful. 

Nicole Laino
How can I create some space and not allow this to take over the whole energetic conversation where if I was going around my day to day life, I might notice that that was there, I might not feel it. And both of my sessions that I’ve got have been wildly different. But they each delivered me exactly what I needed in that moment. The second one I got, obviously I had a big connection with Stevie during this last medicine journey. And even just being in relationship and watching their dynamics and feeling how they take up the space where they’re choosing to be. And then you get messages. There’s things that the situation sort of brings up in you and then you’re driving home. 

Nicole Laino
One of the things that stuck out to me was how much Frodo had seemed like he’s such a man now he’s got the two ladies in his paddock with him and there is an assertiveness and it’s not macho, but it is like, I am the gentleman of this ranch now. Like, these are my ladies and you’re welcome to stay here, but this is my land over here. And he’s still very gentle. When I see that, it’s a reflection of, well, where am I stepping into something here? Just that line of questioning. It’s like nothing will give you more journal prompts than hanging out with a herd of horses and seeing and just reflecting on, well, what came up for me while I was there, what things surfaced living with them there. 

Nicole Laino
I know you talked about, like, that these are the beings that you are with every day, but how did you feel that herd shift? Like, the energy between everybody. That must have felt very different for you too, being on the land when Stevie got hurt and she was temporarily, thank God, removed from the herd for that time. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah, I mean, I think that it’s interesting when you live with your horses because oftentimes you’re going through stuff together, and so the medicine is kind of always available. It’s like, I always tell my husband this, like, life’s crazy. He’s been having an interesting week. And so he went out to see them and he was like, Sahara like, came and stepped right into my space and, like, really let me touch her. And she’s never done that before, you know, And I could really feel what that gave him. And this is always the thing. It’s like whenever we have experiences with horses, most of it is non verbal. And so it is so deeply personal. Right. Because part of it is that they are reading, responding to you and not the you that we spend most the time thinking about in the human world. 

Chloe Elgar
So, like, they absolutely don’t care what you look like. They don’t care how you’re presenting yourself. Right. They’re reading your nervous system, they’re smelling your hormones. They’re responding to. Yeah. Your aura, your energy, your heart rate, like, all of these things that we don’t think about. And so I think that one of the beautiful parts about being with horses is like, that deep sense of being seen. And of course, sometimes being seen is not comfortable because maybe we’re parts of us are being seen that we don’t want to be seen or. And that’s where it can be destabilizing or a little bit like, oh, my God. That definitely, for me, I think, like, having horses and going through a traumatic experience with a horse. 

Chloe Elgar
Well, I mean, first of all, you still have to show up to your horses and take care of the horses that are here. But Sahara definitely was the one that impacted me the most because to me, Sahara’s medicine is very much about authenticity. Being a wild horse, being born and grown up in the wild, her instincts are, like, very much there, very intact. And so self preservation is a really big quality that she carries. And I think that, like, I always feel like Sahara is just so heart centered, and so if something doesn’t feel resonant to her, she won’t engage with it. It doesn’t mean that she’s gonna be like, she has no mean bone in her body. She will just, like, not come close to it. She’ll stay far away. 

Chloe Elgar
And so it was interesting because, like, I knew that I was dysregulated during the Stevie situation, because finding Stevie in the situation that I found her in, getting her to the vet hospital, finding out that she has to stay for seven weeks, like, that totally sent me overboard. And Sahara was like, she just kept her distance from me. And sometimes with horses is like, they are truth tellers. They’re gonna tell us the truth. But it’s through such a purity to the transmission that it’s not judgmental, which is almost like more intense, right? Because we know it’s coming from truth. So for me, she’s like, you’re not safe right now. And I’m like, no, I hear you, imax. I agree. 

Nicole Laino
Mom’s having a moment right now. I get it. And that was what I felt from the first time that I was there. It’s very interesting that you brought up the nonjudgmental because it is vulnerable and no one’s saying anything. You’re not threatened. They’re all very gentle horses and never felt unsafe there for a moment. But it’s the vulnerability that was. I think the first visit that I had was showing me just how much of that I had, showing me just how uncomfortable I was with truly being vulnerable, truly being seen. Because they were seeing me and they weren’t saying anything, but they were saying things. And Sahara, she was also pretty new to the ranch. At the time that I went, she was only there, like, two months or less. And that was a new addition. 

Nicole Laino
But, like, I remember sitting there and it’s so weird to explain it this way, but it was like. It was like, what, maybe she was sending me, but also I was feeling at the same time. I don’t know if this is gonna make sense. I’ll see if I can bring it home. But, like, I have a feeling of people. This is a five line thing too, because I’m a five. One that people always need Something. And sometimes, like, I just wanna be here. I want nobody to need anything from me. And there was something of, like, a recognition of that from her, or she held it. She held that mirror for me at that moment. And I remember just releasing there, just being like. I did a lot of, like. 

Nicole Laino
Just, like, letting things go and crying a little bit on the way home and getting emotional. And I don’t know of anything else that could have brought me to all of these. Like, it’s not even realizations. They just are. It’s things that were there that were in the way that I worked with, in a way that I don’t know how to get there using other modalities. So when you channel for the horses. You also do channeling sessions. You do, like, a monthly channeling session with the horses. Can you tell everybody a little bit about that and your work in that respect? 

Chloe Elgar
Sure, yeah. For me, connecting to. Whether it’s a person being that’s transitioned animal, it’s like, all just being centered in your heart and then connect, like, understanding how you receive energy. And I think that we all. If you’ve heard about the. Claire’s right. Clairaudience, clairvoyance, clairsentience. Dah, dah, dah, dah. It’s so funny because sometimes, like, when I think about talking about this, it’s just I’ve been doing it for so long that I have to. It’s like if someone asked you, how do you drive? You’re like, for me, with the horses, they each have their own gifts as well. Like, they have their medicine. And their medicine is a lot of the time, it’s like who they are, how they show up, what they’ve experienced, and how that can transmute into healing or an offering for another being. 

Chloe Elgar
But I also see that my horses, or I’ll just speak to my horses, that they each have their own gifts and their own abilities and their preferences of how they like to share energy. Right. So, for instance, Dreamer is very much like we know now, thanks to Nicole, that he is a reflector in human design, which we kind of already knew, but now we know. But he is like my deeply sensitive horse. And he’s young, but it feels like he’s lived a lot of life for how young he is. And he’s a medicine hat. So it’s like there’s stories that are connected to a lot of the indigenous communities and tribes where they believed that horses that had his markings. So the cap, the shield, and the blue eyes. 

Chloe Elgar
Had extra powers and gifts and that they were horses that could see into the future. So they were always, like, reserved for the tribal chiefs for hunts and battles because they believed they would keep them safe. So he came in with that sort of specialness. I do feel a lot of connections between Dreamer, like, you talked about the projection piece for me, and I feel that with him, too, Because I feel like people, when they see Dreamer, People tend to be very drawn to him because he is very unique. He looks very unique. There’s a quality about him that pulls you in. And sometimes I feel like dreamer doesn’t like that attention because it doesn’t always feel good in his body, because sometimes it feels too much. 

Chloe Elgar
And so Dreamer, like, I think his early years, he was in a very kind of traditional cowboy setting where they used a lot of traditional cowboy methods to teach him to break him. And so that really messed him up, I would say. I think that he learned that he could either, like, shut, go into freeze, disassociated, shut down, or fight. And so he came to us once he sort of started to process and feel safe. He had a lot of behaviors that were tricky to manage. But he has a lot of medicine, too. It’s interesting with dreamer because I know he likes to do stuff at distance. So it’s funny how his name came to me the minute I met him. But it really. He stays true to his name. He does travel to people in their dreams when they’ve connected to him. 

Chloe Elgar
He does do a lot of distance work. A lot of the times when I do distant offerings, it’s collaboration with Dreamer, like, he’ll bring up the idea. So channeling for me, I feel like dreamer and I are very similar. But, I mean, I. I’ll do animal communication where if I have a question that I need to ask them or if there’s something that I need, I want information on, I can just do animal communication. But if I do channeling, that’s more when I’m going to go into channeled state. And from there, it’s more so like bringing in wisdom or messages or a transmission from. Whether it’s the herd or one of the horses individually, like, yeah, it’s like their medicine is different. They each have different perspective. They bring in different information about certain situations. 

Chloe Elgar
But the collective readings are always like a little bit of that. And then sometimes also just sharing what’s happening in our world in that moment. Because I feel like that in and of itself, it’s like there’s medicine in the whole experience of just like being here, like you said, like, it’s like the land. I feel like the work that I do here with the horses, it is very much a collaboration of the land, the horses, the dogs, myself. Like, it’s like a whole package. And so that’s kind of with the collective readings is you’re getting a little bit of that plus like, and messages from the horses of what’s to come or what’s present in the space. But yeah, sometimes it’s like I feel like it’s not always easy. 

Chloe Elgar
It’s like I could just keep talking because it really is like, it’s so multifaceted and multi layered. And I noticed this with particular people. They’ll open up channels too. So I love when you come because you have your own gifts and your own perspective. And so it’s always really fun. I just love watching energies come together and then how that even activates the space and what that brings up in the space for the horses. So. Yeah. But I don’t know if that answers your question. 

Nicole Laino
It does. I think it’s. How do you explain the unexplainable? You know, some of the stuff that needs to be felt? And I just wanted people to be aware that you do these things, that these horses, they have like a job and it’s not a nine to five. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. 

Nicole Laino
But they work and they work through you. They know their purpose. Yeah. And even like contemplating the horses. I think the same way that if someone were to contemplate goddesses or they were to contemplate and you just happen to have five very distinct, very different horses that have different medicine, different personalities, different energy, and if you put your awareness on them. What’s interesting for me is after being there, if I contemplate Dreamer, if I contemplate Raz, or if I like kind of just energetically connect with that spirit that they have, I can tap into that whenever I want. And there’s always something that comes through. There’s not a process, it just happens. It’s amazing work. And I adore you in the herd and everything that you do there, I think is so special. And it’s such an incredible place. 

Nicole Laino
How can everybody stay in touch with you and follow you and do all of the things? 

Chloe Elgar
So most active on Instagram, channeled by Chloe. We have also our ranch page three Spirit Ranch. Yeah. I have my substack where I share kind of more of the secret. I call it three Spirit Secrets. It’s like more of our sort of stories that maybe I don’t share everywhere else. Instagram is definitely my favorite place to be for sharing. 

Nicole Laino
And you do share such great stuff because you really do show, like, behind the scenes. You let us in, we get to see the animals. It’s amazing. You get to see that you’re now on a new journey with your dogs, where you have dog, you have puppies coming, which I’m excited to watch this all unfold. But you also have merchandise. So, like, I’m wearing my Stevie shirt. 

Chloe Elgar
Right now, and you look so good. 

Nicole Laino
I’m reppin. We were discussing the T shirts need to come because Texas. But tell everybody it’s nightwing goods. Right? Nightwing goods dot com. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. 

Nicole Laino
And they can shop there. And then you were generous enough to give a code. So if you use Nicole15 at checkout, you get 15% off the shop for listening. 

Chloe Elgar
Yes. Correct. Thank you. Yeah, I’ve had this shop for maybe four years. It’s like, my best friend does all of my branding, and it’s like cowgirl meets witch, which is really just me, you know, it’s like a lot of witchy and a little bit of cowgirl. So you have kind of a good mixture of different things. And we do also horse medicine candles and spell candles and ritual candles and. Yeah. Do you have your Stevie? 

Nicole Laino
I have my Stevie candle right here. 

Chloe Elgar
Nice. 

Nicole Laino
Very good. I’m all loaded up with my merch. Lots of people make merch. Yours is very cool, I have to say. Like, I dig your taste. All of the apparel and all of the pieces and everything that you do there. The candle smells amazing, but it’s another way of, like, me connecting with these horses and with what you do. When I put the shirt on, I’m like, ooh, I’m gonna be. I need a little Stevie energy today. And it’s the year of the horse. Everybody should have some horse apparel this year. That’s right. 

Chloe Elgar
Yeah. 

Nicole Laino
Thank you so much for being here, Chloe. I appreciate you coming on. 

Chloe Elgar
No, thank you so much for having me. It’s so great. I love talking to you, and we love having you every time you come. It’s special. It’s a gift, so. 

Nicole Laino
Well, I’ve already told you, I’m like, I’ll be back soon. I haven’t booked my date yet, but I’ll be reaching out for when the next one. Maybe it’ll be the solstice, since I seem to like these dates. 

Chloe Elgar
Yes. 

Nicole Laino
But if you want to stay in touch with Chloe, please go follow her on Instagram. Channeled by Chloe is her Instagram. Follow her over there, and then you can find out all about her other offers. And if you want to go and have a she does host retreat which are sounds super cool where you get to stay on the property in these really adorable little cabins and be on the land with the horses. It’s an amazing experience I’m sure. But thank you guys for being here. Thank you for making it all the way to the end of this episode with us. We appreciate you. And remember, in order to have an unshakeable business, you must first become an unshakeable human. So thanks for letting us help you become unshakable with human design. We will see you next time.